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Sea Control: 594: From Hulls to Pods with Emma Salisbury
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Sea Control: 594: From Hulls to Pods with Emma Salisbury

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•January 27, 2026•0 min
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CIMSEC•Jan 27, 2026

Why It Matters

The discussion is crucial as NATO faces a rapidly changing security environment where naval dominance remains a linchpin of collective defense. Understanding the trade‑offs of modular ship designs helps policymakers avoid costly missteps that could weaken deterrence and operational readiness, making the episode especially relevant amid ongoing debates over defense budgets and maritime strategy.

Key Takeaways

  • •Mission modularity swaps containerized capability modules on standard hulls
  • •US LCS never exchanged modules, exposing modularity flaws
  • •Danish Stanflex proves effective modularity model for NATO navies
  • •Frigate-sized ships benefit most from modular mission packages
  • •Russian aggression heightens NATO naval turbulence and strategic uncertainty

Pulse Analysis

The episode opens with Dr. Emma Salisbury defining mission modularity as the practice of fitting standardized, container‑like capability packages into a common hull. This approach promises rapid reconfiguration, yet the U.S. Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship illustrates a stark shortfall: despite being built for interchangeable modules, none have ever been swapped, exposing logistical and doctrinal gaps. By contrast, Denmark’s Stanflex system demonstrates that well‑designed modularity can work, offering NATO a concrete example of flexible, cost‑effective capability upgrades.

Salisbury explains that most NATO navies have confined modularity to frigate‑class vessels, where mission diversity justifies the extra flexibility. The Danish, Italian, and British navies successfully employ modular bays for anti‑submarine, mine‑sweeping, and other roles, reinforcing the notion that smaller surface combatants are the optimal platform. She warns against extending the concept to larger destroyers, where structural constraints and mission complexity may dilute effectiveness. Recent U.S. developments—cancellation of the Constellation‑class frigate and the uncertain fate of the new FFX design—highlight ongoing turbulence in American shipbuilding, underscoring the need for realistic expectations about modular solutions.

Finally, the conversation situates modularity within a broader climate of heightened geopolitical tension. Russian naval activities, hybrid warfare, and aggressive undersea operations have intensified NATO’s maritime challenges, making adaptable fleets more urgent yet also more risky if over‑reliant on a single doctrine. Salisbury urges policymakers to treat modularity as a tool, not a panacea, ensuring that capability decisions remain driven by operational requirements rather than the allure of interchangeable containers. This balanced perspective is essential for maintaining resilient, future‑proof navies amid an increasingly volatile Atlantic theater.

Episode Description

By J. Overton Dr. Emma Salisbury joins the program to discuss her essay, “From Hulls to Pods: Why NATO’s Navies Should Beware of the Allure of Mission Modularity,” in the new book in the ISPK SeaPower Series Guardians of the North Atlantic: NATO Maritime Strategies and Naval Operations in Turbulent Times. Dr. Emma Salisbury is … Continue reading Sea Control: 594: From Hulls to Pods with Emma Salisbury →

Show Notes

By J. Overton

Dr. Emma Salisbury joins the program to discuss her essay, “From Hulls to Pods: Why NATO’s Navies Should Beware of the Allure of Mission Modularity,” in the new book in the ISPK SeaPower Series Guardians of the North Atlantic: NATO Maritime Strategies and Naval Operations in Turbulent Times.

Dr. Emma Salisbury is a Non-Resident Senior Fellow in the Foreign Policy Research Institute’s National Security Program, an Associate Fellow at the Royal Navy Strategic Studies Centre, and a Contributing Editor at War on the Rocks. She writes widely on military‑industrial matters, geopolitics, and national security in the United States, United Kingdom, and Europe, with a particular focus on the maritime. She is based just outside London in the United Kingdom.

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Links

  1. “The Trump‑class Battleship: Spectacle Wins Out over Combat Power”, by Emma Salisbury, Foreign Policy Research Institute, January 8, 2026.

  2. “Want of Frigates: Why Is It So Hard For America to Buy Small Surface Combatants?” by Emma Salisbury, Foreign Policy Research Institute, December 1, 2025.

  3. “Atlantic Bastion: The Future of Anti‑Submarine Warfare”, by Emma Salisbury, Foreign Policy Research Institute, August 11, 2025.

  4. Emma Salisbury FPRI page.

J. Overton is Co‑Host of the Sea Control podcast. Contact the podcast team at [email protected].

Jonathan Selling edited and produced this episode.

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