Access to Justice, But Make It Scalable, with Zach Zarnow

Lawyerist
LawyeristApr 16, 2026

Why It Matters

Scalable legal‑tech partnerships can dramatically expand low‑cost legal assistance, reshaping how vulnerable communities navigate the justice system and prompting broader sector investment in equitable solutions.

Key Takeaways

  • Scale Justice partners with courts to build user‑friendly legal tech tools.
  • Their platforms serve 8‑9 million people annually across the U.S.
  • Co‑design model ensures solutions are human‑centered, not vendor‑driven.
  • Public‑facing tools like lawnyc.org and Reclamo empower self‑representation.
  • Mission‑profit structure enables sustainable funding while prioritizing access to justice.

Summary

The Lawyers Podcast featured Zach Zarno, executive director of Scale Justice, a nonprofit that re‑brands the former probono.net to emphasize scaling legal services through technology. Scale Justice collaborates with courts, legal‑aid agencies, and community groups to co‑design tools that make legal processes more accessible, reaching roughly 8‑9 million users each year.

Zarno explained that the organization works both behind the scenes—building custom platforms for courts—and on the front line with public‑facing sites such as lawnyc.org, which serves 600,000 annual visitors, and Reclamo, a wage‑theft claim app. Their co‑design approach prioritizes human‑centered solutions rather than acting as a traditional vendor, and they frequently share grant opportunities and insights with partners to amplify impact.

Drawing on a background that includes Peace Corps service in Ukraine, a law degree focused on legal empowerment, and senior roles at the Illinois Equal Justice Foundation and the National Center for State Courts, Zarno highlighted the mission‑profit model that balances sustainable funding with a core commitment to justice. He stressed that courts are the “locust” of the system, making them a strategic upstream partner for scaling interventions.

The conversation underscores how scalable, tech‑driven solutions can transform access to justice, offering a replicable model for nonprofits and public agencies seeking to serve underserved populations efficiently while maintaining fiscal viability.

Original Description

Access to justice is not just a gap. It is a scale problem. In episode 613 of the Lawyerist Podcast, Zack Glaser talks with Zach Zarnow, Executive Director of Scale Justice, about what it really takes to reach more people without relying on more lawyers.
Zach explains why traditional approaches like pro bono work, while valuable, are not enough to meet the overwhelming demand for legal help. Instead, Scale Justice focuses on building systems, tools, and partnerships that expand the reach of legal services through technology and collaboration.
They explore how courts, legal aid organizations, and community groups can work together to meet people earlier in their legal journeys, why designing for real user needs matters more than ever, and how thoughtful use of technology can increase impact without sacrificing quality.
If you are thinking about how to serve more clients, build more efficient systems, or rethink the role of your firm in a larger ecosystem, this episode offers a broader and more scalable way to approach legal services.
Links from the episode:
www.scalejustice.org
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Chapters / Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction
04:40 – Meet Zach Zarnow
06:20 – The Access to Justice Problem
07:50 – Why More Lawyers Isn’t the Answer
09:15 – Building Systems That Actually Scale
11:10 – Partnering Instead of Selling
12:30 – What It Means to Be Mission-Driven
14:00 – Where the Courts Fit In
15:30 – Solving Legal Problems Before They Escalate
17:00 – Catching Legal Issues Early
18:20 – Technology as a Force Multiplier
19:10 – The Risks of DIY Legal AI
21:05 – Who Should (and Shouldn’t) Use These Tools
22:45 – Why Most Legal Tech Should Be Treated as an Experiment
23:50 – What the Future Could Look Like
25:00 – Ways Lawyers Can Contribute
26:30 – Closing Thoughts

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