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Venture CapitalPodcasts20VC: $3.5BN - The Price Zuck Paid for Thinking Machines Co-Founder | Goldman Sachs Acquires Industry Ventures for $665M | Softbank Borrows $5BN Against ARM Holding to Invest More Into OpenAI
20VC: $3.5BN - The Price Zuck Paid for Thinking Machines Co-Founder | Goldman Sachs Acquires Industry Ventures for $665M | Softbank Borrows $5BN Against ARM Holding to Invest More Into OpenAI
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20VC: $3.5BN - The Price Zuck Paid for Thinking Machines Co-Founder | Goldman Sachs Acquires Industry Ventures for $665M | Softbank Borrows $5BN Against ARM Holding to Invest More Into OpenAI

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)
•October 16, 2025•1h 19m
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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC)•Oct 16, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • •Goldman Sachs bought Industry Ventures for $665 million.
  • •Deal valued at roughly 10% of assets under management.
  • •SoftBank leveraged $5 billion ARM stock to fund OpenAI.
  • •Andrew Tulloch left Thinking Machines for Meta, receiving $3.5 billion.
  • •Venture fund valuations depend on fee streams, not just picks.

Pulse Analysis

Goldman Sachs’ $665 million acquisition of Industry Ventures marks a strategic push into the private‑equity secondary market. Valued at roughly ten percent of assets under management, the price aligns with public fund‑of‑fund peers such as StepStone and Hamilton Lane, reflecting a market norm where secondary managers trade at lower multiples than primary investors. For Goldman, the deal provides a ready‑made platform to channel high‑net‑worth clients into private‑asset exposure, a critical differentiator as traditional public‑equity fees erode under passive‑investment pressure.

In parallel, SoftBank secured a $5 billion loan against its ARM holdings to deepen its stake in OpenAI, underscoring the growing appetite for AI‑driven growth assets. By leveraging a stable, high‑value asset like ARM, SoftBank can fund aggressive OpenAI participation without diluting its balance sheet, positioning the conglomerate as a key liquidity provider in the AI ecosystem. This financing structure highlights how large tech conglomerates are using existing equity as collateral to accelerate AI investments, a trend that could reshape capital allocation across the sector.

The episode also dissected Andrew Tulloch’s departure from Thinking Machines, where he exchanged a $2 billion stake for a $3.5 billion Meta package, illustrating the premium placed on AI talent and data assets. Meanwhile, the panel debated venture‑fund economics, emphasizing that sustainable valuations now hinge on recurring fee streams rather than pure stock‑picking prowess. As LPs demand clearer DPI and predictable returns, fund‑of‑funds and secondary platforms become more monetizable, while pure‑play venture shops risk being undervalued unless they evolve into scalable, product‑oriented businesses. This shift signals a broader industry move toward asset‑management models that blend capital efficiency with distribution power.

Episode Description

AGENDA:

03:44 Rory Is So Old He Worked with Arthur Rock!!!

07:28 Goldman Sachs Acquires Industry Ventures for $665M

16:37 Thinking Machines Co-Founder Raises $2BN and Then Leaves for Meta

29:36 SoftBank Goes for $5BN Leverage Against ARM Stock To Buy More OpenAI

39:35 More Data Centres Than Offices: Are We In a Bubble

43:28 Where is the Alpha in Venture in 2025

51:48 What 90% of Managers Get Wrong About Portfolio Management

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