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Interviews with pro traders across markets (incl. FX), focusing on process and edge.

From the Copper Pits to Crypto Derivatives: How Trading Edge Evolves · Sam Gaer
Video•Mar 14, 2026

From the Copper Pits to Crypto Derivatives: How Trading Edge Evolves · Sam Gaer

The interview chronicles Sam Gaer’s journey from the noisy copper pits of the 1980s to today’s crypto‑derivatives market, illustrating how a trader’s edge must evolve with technology and regulation. Gaer describes the physical, sensory‑rich environment of open outcry, where he first used a self‑taught Apple II program to price copper spreads and strips—an early example of quantifying inefficiencies. He later built a trading‑software firm, sold it to the New York Mercantile Exchange, and as CIO of NYX helped modernize exchange infrastructure before its $9 billion sale to CME. A pivotal “Cortez moment” prompted him to “burn the boats” and pivot fully into digital markets. He recounts the backlash when he introduced an Apple Newton on the floor, and later details a VIX fund trade that leveraged systematic volatility strategies, underscoring his blend of instinct and algorithmic rigor. Gaer’s story underscores that surviving structural shifts—whether the demise of pits, the rise of high‑frequency trading, or the emergence of crypto—requires continuous learning, transparent tech adoption, and the willingness to abandon legacy comforts. Institutional players can draw a roadmap for integrating traditional market discipline into nascent digital assets.

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