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Copper, Chaos and Contrarian Thinking with David Lilley, Drakewood Capital Management

In this Fast Forward episode, David Lilley – a veteran of the copper trade and co‑CIO of Drakewood Capital – explains how the metal’s historic seven‑year feast‑famine cycles are intersecting with today’s geopolitical turmoil. He argues that the market is moving from a pure supply‑demand model to one where “just‑in‑case” inventory buffers and strategic government stockpiles are becoming central to price formation. Lilley highlights three forces reshaping copper pricing: the shift toward resilience‑driven inventory, the growing role of institutional investors who treat copper as a hedge against macro‑risk, and the looming supply gap caused by long mine development timelines. He notes that while current physical supplies are adequate, future scarcity is priced in as governments worldwide, notably the U.S. and China, build strategic reserves. Memorable soundbites include his description of copper as a “hybrid” asset – industrial yet a store of value when confidence in the dollar wanes – and the anecdote that “gold, silver, and copper” are the new conversation at crypto conferences. He also points out that speculative buying is now dominated by Asian, especially Chinese, capital seeking alternatives to a faltering property market. For investors and corporates, the takeaway is clear: monitor inventory policies, geopolitical risk, and investor flow shifts. Copper’s price may decouple from immediate industrial demand, behaving more like a safe‑haven commodity, which could amplify volatility but also present hedging opportunities amid tightening supply and rising inflation concerns.